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      Can AT tech equipment serve two masters?

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      • lifeisgood
        2014-03-07 00:21:50

        Can AT tech equipment serve two masters?

        Gear:  190 cm dps wailer 112 pure skis, plum yak bindings and dynafit Vulcan AT  boots.

         I am not connected to the ski industry and it's products in any way.  Just your everyday ski nut.  The purpose for me writing this is to let people know my experience using AT gear on and off piste as I've read many conflicting reports. 


        OFF PISTE:

        Toured in deep blower pow and wind blown hard pan in the Selkirks. 

        Skis:  quick and responsive and handled deep pow to wind blown hard pan very well. 

        Bindings:  easy to climb with and held me without any unwanted pre-release issues.  Easy to get in and out of.   Not a fan of ski brakes in the backcountry nor leashes so used neither.  

        Boots:  as comfortable as slippers and as beefy as any downhill boot I have used without even inserting the extra plastic tongue that come with the boots. 


        ON PISTE:

        Skied on average 20,000 vertical/ day for six consecutive days at Whistler on everything from groomers to bumps to double blacks and collouirs.

        Skis:   very quick and responsive on all types of terrain.  Had them to 91kms/hr on hard pan and were solid.  Turned easily on very tight and steep pitches.  For their length they were pretty good in the bumps but not your typical bump ski. 

        Bindings:  used leashes and were easy to hook and unhook.  Not one pre-release issue.  Felt as solid as any downhill binding.  

        Boots:  same comments as off piste. 


        BOTTOM LINE:  

        All equipment functioned exceptionally well in both scenarios for me.   Given this I will continue to use them as such until they blow up and/or wear out.   No need for me to have on and off piste set ups given their exceptional all around performance.  Time will tell about durability. Smile



      • bekks
        2014-03-07 10:28:20

        Nice review. I tele on a pair of 180 Wailer 112 pures and they are awesome in the backcountry, but I found that they were harder (than expected) to hold an edge on slightly icy conditions and I haven't had them on any soft groomers. 
      • 2wheeler
        2014-03-07 12:36:29

        I've had two pairs of Plum Guide bindings over the past 6 seasons.  The Yak is the same as the guide with the addition of a base plate.  I've had two binding failures, both on the ski hill; one of the pins on the back of the binding broke, the other time one of the wings at the front of the binding broke.  Unless you like to ski relatively gently at the ski hill I wouldn't recommend a tech binding for on hill use.  I think people coming from a race background would be disappointed with a tech binding's on hill performance.  


        That being said it's the only binding I have on my skis and when I do ski at a lift service hill it's what I use.  

      • admin02
        2014-03-07 12:58:22

        Holy timeliness Batman. We just posted a review of the Wailer . I ski almost exclusively on Dynafits at the hill and off. The Plums, which I have also experienced, seem to connect with one's boot heel in such a way that the boot heel isn't touching anything below--they float.  This makes me a little nervous about really beating on them. It's good to hear that the Plums work for you at the area "lifeisgood". I think I'd trust them more in the backcountry. I have Dynafit Radicals on the Wailer 112, as well as a pair of Line 125 Sick Days. Nothing but praise... never a pre-release or anything untoward..

        The question, as I see it, is not "whether" tech bindings--it's "which." We've been on the G3 Ions too and are pretty stoked about them for next season.


        Andrew

      • lifeisgood
        2014-03-09 22:19:20

        The plum yak bindings have a heel pad that pretty much eliminates the gap you are referring to between the heel of the boot and the ski so it hopefully removes some of the tension on the two rear binding heel pins.  


        There is is no question when you buy gear specific equipment ie. mogul skis, slalom skis etc they will perform at the highest level for the terrain they are best suited for.   My comments were geared for those who think you must have different set ups.  I don't believe you do.   I have encountered tougher skiing conditions off piste than on and I was totally comfortable in both scenarios with AT specific gear.  Again time will tell.  Cool

      • Rani Thakur
        2022-06-11 22:31:18

        I recently bought a pair of AT Traxion IIs. I have been on the mountain a few times and used them in snow. The first thing I noticed is they did not give me the same float as my Salomon X2 or K2 feet (which are also AT ski boots). They were a bit stiffer than my Salomon's but that was to be expected.
        A couple of days later, I was on some groomers with a group of friends. The AT Traxion IIs had become very loose in their bindings, so we switched out for the K2's and could not believe how much more float they gave us.
        Then last weekend, I went out to play some slopestyle skiing for about an hour on some groomers at about 40-45 degrees with the AT Traxion IIs and K2 boots. They were perfect! No binding issues, no slipping when turning quickly, no slipping when climbing up or down hills (I've had problems with these things when using my Salomons), etc…  Samsung Charger
        So why is this important? First off, you don't need any other boots to get great skis in AT mode (unless you're going to school at Snowbird or something). Second, if you're going to school with your skis on dirt snow and/or soft snow, it's best to use AT tech due to their greater float compared to traditional skis/boots (which have less friction). Third, if you're into freeride off-piste riding or rock climbing then you'll need some sort of mountaineering boot. And fourth (and most importantly), if you're unsure about the ability of your boots/boots' ability then feel free to ask me questions: I do a lot of research before buying gear and will be glad to answer any questions that might help someone else make a purchase decision.

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