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      To sled or not to sled?

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      • hipsterandjane
        2011-09-11 11:26:28

        To sled or not to sled?

        Might be a little early to start this discussion, but I am hoping to get some feedback and insight from the wider backcountry community.  I am debating crossing over to what has been described by some as the darkside - getting a sled.   I don't know much about sleds - the last time I was out on one it looked like this -sled skidoo access backcountry snowboard


        So couple of questions that I am thinking about that I would love some input on 1) Is it worth, the noise, gas, stink, repairs and $$$$ to have a sled that allows me to get deeper in the backcountry?  2) If it is worth it, what kind of sled should I be looking at, I don't want to break the bank, but I want somthing reliable, just somthing that gets me to the base of where I want to ski, I will skin the rest, so it doesn't need to be a super machine.



      • John Monks
        2011-09-12 10:49:04

        I've had a sled for several years and find that I seldom use it. It's just too easy to ride the bus up to the ski resort, hop on the lift, go out through the gate, and ski in the back country that way. Sure, there are lots of other places that it would be fun to go skiing, but around here at least, there aren't very many places you can get to on a snowmobile that there isn't someone snowmobiling, which typically means high-marking the nice bowls I'd like to be skiing. It happens enough in the back-country areas near the resort.

        That said, if you are going to access the back country via snowmobile, make sure you get one with enough power and enough track to be able to break trail in deep powder. Breaking trail in deep powder up a logging road can be a challenge. Also, I'd get one that has reverse, so you can turn the damn thing around without having to pick it up and do it by hand. Which brings up the point about weight, get a light one. Unfortunately, the combination of power, big track, reverse, and light weight tends to add up to big $$$$!

        If there are places you can get to on a sled where there aren't a lot of people snowmobiling already, it can sure lead to some great skiing!

      • hipsterandjane
        2011-09-12 11:47:46

        Fair points John, I never really considered the fact that I would be snowmobiling where other people were snowmobiling.  In my mind it was me roaring up to my secret spot, shutting off my machine and skinning and skiing in silence for the rest of the time... probably un realistic. 

        When you say big, powerful, light and with reverse = big money, any idea what a ballpark on somthing like that a few years old might be?

      • dzpow
        2011-09-12 13:39:15

        $5000 would get you a good used machine.  If you want it strictly for forestry road access look into a touring machine.  Other costs are obviously involved in owning a sled such as gas, trailer to haul it, maintenance, ect.  A sled can make the difference between a daytrip and a multiple day excursion in some areas.  There are many tremendous areas to ski in which snowmobilers generally don't go, unless they are extremely skilled riders.  Sledders don't like tight trees or steep gullied creek beds sometimes terrain like this is the only access to that secret spot and can be easily toured through.  Or even accessing the edge of a provincial or national park where sledding is prohibited.  There are many advantages for a ski-tourer or ski-mountaineer in owning a sled but it comes with a cost.  If you do buy one my best advice woulddevote some time learning to ride it without your skis along.  I've seen too many sled-ski-tourers who are horrible sledders, learn how to ride well first and then bring your skis along.  Otherwise you may spend more time digging out your sled than skiing.
      • dzpow
        2011-09-12 13:39:21

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        2011-09-13 10:19:15

        We have created a survey on our Facebook page to see how everyone really feels - freel free to voice your opinion there as well....

        http://www.facebook.com/Backco.....iingCanada

      • sep
        2011-09-13 23:11:45

        To sled or not.  I've been skiing the backcountry with a sled assist for more years than not.  Good advice to go out with some sledhead friends if you can and learn how to ride.  I have friends that have mtn. models and some that have 2 up 4 stroke touring models.  After going with both, I would just go with a good reliable mtn. model.  That said, skidoo makes a 2 stroke now that has the e tec engine in it and it has cleaner emissions than older 4 strokes.  But that will cost you, as this is recent technology. (they have had it out for years in evinrude out board motors)  What I think you will find after riding a while, is that a mtn. sled gives you more versatility than any other model.  Also you will find that the sledders provide some excellent access.  We tend to park and drop off the backside, so to speak, where the sledders can't get out of.  That opens up some nice terrain.  I've found the snowmobile crowd to be a sociable bunch and that they are always interested in what we are doing, never bother our stuff and just shake their heads at us about the climbing we do.  But always smile and wish us a good time.  Can't say as that I've always had the same experience with some in the bc ski crowd.

        I'm curretly riding an 06 800 ski doo summit rev.  Love it, been absolutely trouble free.  One more thing, find a trusted mechanic and get the maintenance done on it before riding season.  It'll save you so many head aches and trouble.  Spend the money or it just won't be worth it.  It is a commitment, but so is getting and staying in shape to ski.Smile

      • JF
        2011-11-04 23:26:57

        If your main concern is money, don't buy a sled. I bought one in 2006 and 5 years later after I sold it, I calculated the cost to average 150$ a day with maintenance and sled gas. That's without the truck diesel and sled deck.

        Here are a few things to consider:

        Plan on being the sole user of your sled. Towing/getting towed sucks. So does tandem for long hauls. If everyone got their own, you can get further/faster/easier into the backcountry.

        Learn to sled, as others have mentioned. This might take you 5, 10 days of sledding. Maybe a whole season depending on your learning curve. I'm still not 100% comfortable because I haven't spent enough time learning, going sled access touring instead. That makes me quite nervous sometimes in tricky situations such as avalanched logging roads.

        Enjoy the sledding. This follows the previous statement.

        Once you like sledding, you won't mind the high costs associated to the sport.

        As far as which sled to consider: the newer the better. A summit rev 600 144'' track will get you most places. For deeper snow, steeper hills, and more fun altogether, a summit rev-xp 800 154'' is the ticket (or equivalent). Most important, get a powder track. Mountain sleds are for mountains, touring sled are for trails.

        Buying a used sled is trickier than buying a used car, especially if you don't do your own mechanics. These things get abused bad. Engine rebuilts after 3000kms are common if not before.

        I hate fixing other people's mess so my next buy will be brand new, and I'll keep it in that condition.

        This might be a little late but also helpful I hope!

        Joel

      • 2011-11-06 05:11:36

        wow, some great advice here. I have always been morally against sleds in the backcountry just from a pure environmental perspective and the noise and pollution but I have to admit friends with sleds are mighty handy - although contracictive to my earlier comments. After reading the above posts I think I may stay a walker rather than a rider, encironmental aspects aside it is bloody pricey!


      • hipsterandjane
        2011-11-22 15:15:18

        Thanks for the insight everybody!  The $150 a day price tag and being stressed out while riding I think have put this internal debate to bed for a while for me.   We'll see what a couple years does... probably put gas prices at 2 bucks and makes this idea even more expensive! 
      • JF
        2011-11-27 00:31:46

        I thought maybe I should elaborate a little more:)


        Sledding is awesome! I wish I was better and will eventually get better. If you can afford it, buy one! Gas alone ain't that bad. It's more the price of the toy. I drive my diesel truck everyday of the year and on road trips and even that ain't that bad. 16L/100km... 


        I live in a capitalist country, so I figure I earn some money, and then spend it having fun and trying new things. Some people do a backcountry lodge trip every year, that's mighty expensive. Probably more than sledding itself (excluding the truck/trailer). Plus the fuel a helicopter burns is insane.


        Those newer e-tec engines are way cleaner than the standard 2-strokes for the environmentally friendly out there. They hardly burn any oil. Or just get a heavier 4-stroke yamaha and it's as clean as a car.


        Bottom line is, it's a great adventure and I highly recommend it!


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