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      • 2016-03-14 17:56:02

        Comparing probe mechanisms

        I have a really old Ortovox probe with a thumb screw tensioner that I really need to replace. I am hoping you guys might put up some probe information. Specifically I am curious about comparing the different pull/lock mechanisms out there (K2, Arva, Ortovox, and BCA all seem to have a different thing going on). I also wonder about the "drop shape" tip such as on the Arva probes and how they compare with more traditional point shapes, as well as cable vs dyneema.

        If you can't do a full review, some feedback here would be appreciated.

        Thanks!



      • dromo_mania
        2016-03-14 22:01:26

        Here's my very amateur thoughts of what has worked for me:

        I've got two G3 (aluminum) probes.. Speed Pro series; 250 cm model & the 320. Carrying bag is decent. Very straightforward to open up when the time is ticking. I have used them on overnights, glacier travel.. no complaints. Some of the inexperienced people I have been with have been able to extend them and have them locked with little problem. I think that is what the hinging point is between good gear and superb gear. Easy-straightforward-dependable.. this is what you need with shovels, beacons and probes when it counts right?


        I have somehow adopted an Ortovox 'A6' model of probe. It is 250cms long, aircraft cable but for the life of me I can't figure out how to tighten it. Its almost like I'm missing a piece. I've YuToob-ed, looked around the Internet..been to the Ortovox website. They are a bit dated- 5-8 years old- but seem very dependable if I could just figure out how it worked. Surprising as Ortovox are very much a standard in Europe so I am very unsure why this piece of gear is confusing. I work with an Avalanche professional weekly so I am going to corner him and see what he thinks.


        re:'..comparing the different pull/lock mechanisms out there...'

        This is what concerns me as this is rescue gear & while I have several years of background, I am a bit surprised that I just cannot pick up this (Ortovox) probe & assemble it Frown


        I have very little experience with these Carbon fibre poles. I hope they're well tested; they seem to be flimsy & en vogue. I question the savings of weight verses the dependability of them when it counts.


        Something I do like and see more and more is laser or printed centimetre 'graduations' on probes. I worked as a ski patroller for many years and did more snow study plots/data collection then I care to remember & had the luxuary of the 'ole collapsable cabinetmakers ruler. Now-a-days using your probe, especially in deep areas or big snow regions like Rogers Pass, Icefields Parkway, or Northern BC.. a probe with numbers on it is one less thing to carry.


        I have been in involved in several rescues, people buried/ fatalities & wonder what manuafactures do to test 'real world' conditions. (I remember when some manuafacturers came out with these high density plastics in shovels..are they still around?) I think many of us here have skied/boarded over old avalanche debris & runout and understand how thick blocks of ice & chunks of snow can be. A very serious situation when you are digging your friend out.


        A final thought I took from an avalanche professional/ ACMG guide maaaany years ago was the attitude of whatever you use in the field.. it better work with gloves on, in the near dark and covered in ice. While a lofty goal, I appreciate what his message was. I really try to look at all my stuff with that attitude. The G3 for instance has a neat machined course threaded screw type disk for tensioning with cable on their probes. You can't lose it & its all there. Same with shovels: one little metal 'button' snap that I can beat the crap out of if its jammed with ice. Blade is steel, handle is dependable.

      • 2016-03-14 23:40:10

        I hear you on the carbon fiber. I will be sticking with aluminum, which also will bend before breaking.

        What I am really asking about - and I think this would be really worth doing a comparison review on - is the pull/lock mechanisms on the current model.

        Ortovox has their "PFA" system.

        Arva has a couple systems as glossed over in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi_xoO50j5w. Arva also has a kind of tear-drop shaped tip.

        K2 has one with adjustable tension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCOOTL5L9JQ

        BCA has their system: http://backcountryaccess.com/p.....ealth-240/

        I had a Ramer shovel back in the day. When it broke (twice) I got a G3 Avitech. There is a great review - out of date as far as models go, but with good information - http://www.voile.com/Avalanche....._54-60.pdf The type of metal counts!


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